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    Beware!!! Top 17 SCAM in Malaysia

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    Beware!!! Top 17 SCAM in Malaysia

    Post by kurt_yezzed on Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:39 pm

    Salam,
    Ni bos department processing tmpt kerja aku yg forward kat aku, dia cakap hati2 bila process loan drpd dokumen2 yg datang drpd company2 berikut. Bos aku tak kata kompeni2 kat list bawah ni adalah penipu, cuma dikhuatiri adalah penipu.
    So, berhati2lah kalau nak join ape2 bisnes yg macam2 sekarang ni, siasat dulu latarbelakang then barulah decided Smile.


    You may have read this via emails forwarded from your friends. For those who have not, pls read through, it's quite interesting how MLM (multi level marketing) business operates. It may relates to your loan application where the customer operates such business as well...

    Scams in Malaysia

    1) The Cafe Scams - Island Red Cafe & Steven's Corner(strange, both in Pandan Indah) - Island Red Cafe collects members RM6,000 each and promised 5% return every month and even give you a name in the ROC as a shareholder but what’s the point when they run away? Steven's Corner, the famous indian coffee shop follows due to drop of business
    since their renovation. They collect RM3,000 per member and promise return of RM150 monthly and plans to open nice fanchisee cafe called Steven'sTea Garden. Someone mentioned they will make you sign an agreement that give them the rights NOT to pay you anything in future.. If you really wish to join, ask for a copy of their agreement and consult your lawyer BEFORE paying them. Bet you will NOT get a copy. Both collect monies from new members with MLM recruitment schemes and pay the old members like Sunshine Empire. You never know when they will run away.

    2) Sunshine Empire - This licensed and legal Company has an impressive office at the ground level of KUB building along Jalan Yap Kwan Seng, near Menara Public Bank and AmBank Building . They also have a showroom office at the ground level in the next building. 2 or 3 months ago, Singapore’s Straits Times and The Paper published big news reminding their people to be careful and NOT to believe in them. Hope someone can put up the link or google for it.(As expected, they STOPPED paying back members now and all investors LOST their money). Someone below has put a link to the Singapore news. In fact there are more to it. Although Singapore is investigating them, they did not stop their business as the business is legal and so far, no Singaporean have failed to receive their commissions as promised. Thus, the government cannot stop them yet. The news published that the founder, director and group president is someone named James Phang but he is NOT the owner. Isn’t this quite strange ? At the end of the game, James Phang can just disappear from the Company easily and claimed that he was just “employed”.. Such trick always happened in scam businesses. Now, the Company has STOPPED paying commissions and interests to members with the excuse that the Singapore government has freezed their bank account while under investigation. Do you think their boss will be so stupid to keep much monies in the bank to be freezed ? They are all transfered away. It’s just an excuses not to pay back to members and members are only paid “e-bonus-points” which is cashless. If they wish to convert to cash,they have to recruit new members to pay them cash and the recruiter less out from the amount. So victi ms act like Vampires and “forced” to victimise other victi ms if they wish to get their monies back. And their victi ms will later transform to vampires and the scam carries on…..

    3) MOBILWALLET - This Company owned by 2 young men, Stanley & Rey Gan, office in Queens Avenue Park has collect multi-millions the last 2 years. Claimed that they tied up with Telekoms , Utility Board payment like Water & Electricity bills, even Maybank got fooled by them. Advertisement Billboards everywhere. They STOPPED paying back their members few months ago and the members cannot do anything because they are made to sign an agreement unaware that they have to clai ms if the company stopped paying them by CHANGING ter ms and policies.

    4) Water businesses - Oxygenated and alkaline water products - Some of these are bottled water and some are filters or equipment that claimed the trick.. One of the better known Company that sold “oxygen” water is SITO(supposed to stand for Selangor International Trading Organiszation and claimed Selangor State Government owned some share in it). The key person and founder is a Dato Robert Ong from Rawang but his name is no longer in the business now. Their products are sold for RM2 to RM3 for a 350ml bottle and now concentrating mostly in the Indian market. Their Chinese and Malays market are long gone since a year or 2 ago. Their customers are made to believe that their water has more oxygen and able to give miraculous effects for the body. Water is H2O, how to put more O into it ? Anyone knows how much oxygen do we breathe into our body everyday at FOC ? Latest news is that this SITO Company is going to
    create new label to market under a new Company since the SITO name has already gone bad. Someone informed that this Company is owing alot of money(due to refunds) to ex-stockists but just refuse to pay them. (Latest news, SITO shifted to another place and their MLM business has closed but planning to start again with a different name, beware !!) Alkaline Products - Can anyone explain how it can work for the body ? The stomach’s gastric liquid is so acidic that water of any pH that goes through it will not make any difference.

    5) Car Fuel Booster - K-Link, the famous scam MLM Company that sold the footpatch TAKARA, later the “cock-ring” and energy-card launched the patrol-saving pills last year. Got so hot that even grocery shops are selling for them. Recently many of these cars that used the pills are rushing to the workshops to clean the residual. Few months ago, another MLM Company launched a fuel booster gadget, claimed that saves up to 20% fuel, that is attached to the cigarette lighter. Started off well using binary plan but businese begin to fade now and most users find it NOT effective.

    6) Perfumery Products(eg. Lampe Berger & Bel Air)(more details later). Lampe Berger is not so hot now in the neighbouring countries but there are still new victi ms every month in Malaysia . Must thanks to those who have contributed and kept the thread alive here in Kopitiam. Bel-Air have closed in Malaysia. LB is almost zero in Singapore. This perfumery product from France with over 100 years history is just bottles and fragrance(check the factory’s website) but the Company marketing them in Asia claimed “aromatheraphy” products. Hong Kong TVB aired a program that exposed their scam but their members claimed that HK’s TVB already apologised to them.
    Note that the biggest strength in a MLM Scam is their members will go all way out to lie in order to defend for their Company. The reason is simple; these members fear that they will not be able to make their money back if the Company collapsed. Knowing that the Lampe Berger products are moving slow, they add a line of skincare products named Estebel, also claimed to have over 100 years history in France.(Hardly anymore Chinese newcomers, they are now tapping the Malays in Malaysia)

    7) Energy Products(eg. stone pendants, bracelets, mattress and pillows). They use all sorts of gimmicks and demonstration to make you into believing them.. They will do some tricks and demo to prove that these products really produce energy BUT is there any tricks in their demo ? So what if there really produce energy; is it good or strong enough to help the body ? The effect is actually PLACEBO which I will elaborate in a new thread soon.(more details later)

    Cool Hi-Tech products(names like bio-tech, nano-tech that claimed millions of dollars of research involved, eg Bio-Young and XKL few years ago). Most of these will claimed a professor behind them(even with name and picture of a person) or used words like “U.S.A. formula”, “German Technology” or “Nanotechnology” and no further details(more details later). If you ask for more details like the professor or factory’s address, the answer will be “trade secrets”.

    9) Investment Schemes - SWISSCASH is the King of all. Swisscash is nearly over now but there are many similar and smaller ones that are still on.(Now, it’s closed or stopped paying back members)

    10) GoldQuest - This Company that claimed to be HK-based started with some non-value gold-plated coins that are sold for over RM2,000 have several names and changed products several times. QuestVacation, QuestNet, etc. They have several offices in Amcorp Mall, PJ and their key person (in fact, the owner), a Malaysian Indian was arrested last year in Indonesia for having involved in a very big Phillipines scam. Most of their overseas offices are closed or inactive but their Malaysia business is still hot, with some “energy” products.(Can someone please provide a link which showed the news that their boss was involved in a big scam in Philippines and was arrested in last year ?)

    11) Numerology & Fortune telling - A Company named Visible is using MLM to sell fortune telling classes using your birthday based on Numerology fortune telling. Prpspects will be told that they need to buy a certain “number” between 1 to 9 in the form of pendants or bracelets made of stainless steel and sold from RM600 to RM20,000. Customers, or rather victi ms are mostly females from rural areas. Very hot in Penang now and a number of spin-off Companies have started..

    12) MJ-Life - This Company boost of a very big background with many many years of history which is NOT true. Their people or associates may be long in business but nothing to do with their MLM launched recently. Why do I consider it a scam or bad ? New members are told to pay a sum of money(up to RM1000) and you get NOTHING for it. You only get a membership can entitle you to enjoy all sorts of special price and discounts when you have medical check-ups in their centres.. They will claim all those check-ups cost more if done elsewhere. It’s not true. Only the naive and those new to medical check-ups will fall victi ms to them. Most members who paid the money ended up with nothing.

    13) Seaweed Venture Sca ms - One such Company is located in Taman Maluri, Cheras. They will ask you to invest a few thousands ringgits for their venture of growing seaweeds in East Malaysia and you are guaranteed returns. To gain your confidence further, they will tell you your investment money is secured by "insurance” or “unit trusts” & “trustees”. When you ask for further documents to prove, they will give all sorts of excuses or just ignore you because they know they cannot get you. These Seaweed scam is one of the hottest now, warn all your friends about it before they are victimised.

    14) MXM(previously MGM) - This is a master scam among the younger group, very successful 2 or 3 years ago but since there moved to their big 10-storey office at Phileo Damansara and changed name to MXM, their business dropped. They collect members RM3,000 to RM4,000 with credit card monthly easy payment and in return you get a hospital benefits insurance from Pacific Insurance worth only a few hundred RMs together with some you-don’t-need medical check-ups from their associate Company Pathlab. Also talk about fitness, lifestyles ~dipadam~ that is all worthless.

    15) Gano Excel - This company from the north, a copycat of DXN selling Lingzhi capsules created a new Company called Gano iTouch to cash-in on the internet like e-Cosway after their Company went down the drain since the last 2 years, selling Linzhi and some no-value energy pendants and alkaline water gadgets. They provide free transport every weekend from KL to visit their Alor Star office.

    16) NuLife(HK) - This Company started by some HK people has been in Malaysia for more than 10 years but they have flopped in HK and Malaysia due to bad management and a product scam making use of a prosecuted American named Dr Jeffrey Bland, found guilty of false products claim. Since this case in the US leaked out and many Malaysians found out that the real boss in HK is a Steven Tang (he cheated many Malaysians in another scheme about 20 years ago) their business went down all the way. Now they claim Malaysian partners cheated them and start a new Company in Malaysia . Watch out, this new Company will come out with some investment scheme idea that will get many to lose their money.

    17) Arowana Fish Breeding, Oora from Germany , Biofuel (Kompleks Maluri) etc - These are some newer sca ms . Arowana fish venture ask you to invest some money and give you fixed return. Biofuel will tell you their Indonesia connections(just like Sunshine Empire before using Taiwan) & Oora from Germany (I never trust those cruel Germans) that market some bio-chips and a gadget that clai ms to give energy and therapeutic effects of accupunture, tai-chi, yoga, etc depending how you set the toy-like gadget, wear it on your body and you get the effect later. They could not explain or provide any demonstration to prove their effectiveness. Only doctors and papers claim that I will never trust. The health effect is actually PLACEBO, which I will elaborate in a different thread.

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    Re: Beware!!! Top 17 SCAM in Malaysia

    Post by daimon on Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:58 pm

    tq, x sangka bisnes yang panas dan meletup2 mcm island red cafe pon tergolong dlm list tersebut

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    Re: Beware!!! Top 17 SCAM in Malaysia

    Post by myapai on Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:00 pm

    OK.. terimas kerana berkongsi,
    benda ni mmg dah tersebar luas dekat internet! Senarai ini ditulis pada suatu ketika oleh 'seseorang' dari forum lowyat.net. Tidak pasti daripada mana beliau mendapat sumber/maklumat untuk kajian itu yang menetapkan yang mana program 'scam' dan mana program yang betul. YANG PASTI Senarai ini bercampur antara syarikat sah (ada AJL dan SSM malaysia) dan juga syarikat yang tidak berdaftar (skim internet).

    disini saya hanya amik kes island red cafe sahaja. yg lain tu kene wat reserch sendiri. Just read the first sentence alone, explained that hes not sure of the facts. “but what's the point when they run away?” As far as I know, IRC still around, not going anywhere.
    These started when IRC was collecting funds and capital to setup more franchise. Around Jan 2008. The way they collect funds is to get the customer/public to become the stakeholder. This is where I think that guy get the idea that this is a scam. But, I saw few pages of the scanned agreement, thats really, for me looked legal. Stamped, the stakeholders name, payment method are mentioned in the agreement etc. After they have enough fund, they started the Membership program, so the investment program was ceased.

    Dan dlm bulan Ogos 2009 ni saja, 4 outlet dah dibuka.. wangsa maju, shah alam, Temerloh dan Muar. outlet shah alam (aggerik mall) yang dibuka 8.8.09 dirasmikan oleh timbalan menteri kemajuan luar bandar dan wilayah, dato hassan malek... ( cuba check sedutan dari berita ntv7 ni http://www.irc2u.com/NTV7news.html).

    so cuba fikirkan. takkan sebab kajian seorang amatur yg ditulis didalam internet dijadikan sebagai bahan rujukan sah. tepuk dada tanya selera. kalau nak detail.. just contact saya.. 019 3376911 (apai)

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    Re: Beware!!! Top 17 SCAM in Malaysia

    Post by faiz1980 on Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:59 am

    kepada kawan-kawan semua yg berminat untuk membuat pelaburan dan menambah pendapatan, pastikan kajian dibuat secara detail dan berdasarkan sumber2 yang boleh dipercayai. Ikuti dari masa ke masa perkembangan setiap syarikat yang bakal dibuat pelaburan.
    Tidak semestinya jika sesuatau syartikat dinaung oleh orang yang berpengaruh, keluar tv dan sebagainya adalah bukan scam.
    Contoh Mercahntile Point Sdn Bhd. Pengerusi Rusdi Ganing dan beberapa CEO lain adalah orang2 yang berpengaruh.
    Syarikat ini terkenal 2 tahun lepas dan selalu keluar tv. At last, BNM cekup...abis semua duit pelabur x dapat dipulangkan semula. Bisnes pun dibekukan! CEO semua cabut lari...
    Pengajaran, selidik dahulu sesuatu sykt yg bakal dilabur, invest sikit2..jgn terlalu tamak.
    Kalau nak lagi selamat, masuk UT atau investment2 lain yg diluluskan dan telah lama beroperasi.

    tq

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    Re: Beware!!! Top 17 SCAM in Malaysia

    Post by kurt_yezzed on Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:52 am

    myapai wrote:OK.. terimas kerana berkongsi,
    benda ni mmg dah tersebar luas dekat internet! Senarai ini ditulis pada suatu ketika oleh 'seseorang' dari forum lowyat.net. Tidak pasti daripada mana beliau mendapat sumber/maklumat untuk kajian itu yang menetapkan yang mana program 'scam' dan mana program yang betul. YANG PASTI Senarai ini bercampur antara syarikat sah (ada AJL dan SSM malaysia) dan juga syarikat yang tidak berdaftar (skim internet).

    disini saya hanya amik kes island red cafe sahaja. yg lain tu kene wat reserch sendiri. Just read the first sentence alone, explained that hes not sure of the facts. “but what's the point when they run away?” As far as I know, IRC still around, not going anywhere.
    These started when IRC was collecting funds and capital to setup more franchise. Around Jan 2008. The way they collect funds is to get the customer/public to become the stakeholder. This is where I think that guy get the idea that this is a scam. But, I saw few pages of the scanned agreement, thats really, for me looked legal. Stamped, the stakeholders name, payment method are mentioned in the agreement etc. After they have enough fund, they started the Membership program, so the investment program was ceased.

    Dan dlm bulan Ogos 2009 ni saja, 4 outlet dah dibuka.. wangsa maju, shah alam, Temerloh dan Muar. outlet shah alam (aggerik mall) yang dibuka 8.8.09 dirasmikan oleh timbalan menteri kemajuan luar bandar dan wilayah, dato hassan malek... ( cuba check sedutan dari berita ntv7 ni http://www.irc2u.com/NTV7news.html).

    so cuba fikirkan. takkan sebab kajian seorang amatur yg ditulis didalam internet dijadikan sebagai bahan rujukan sah. tepuk dada tanya selera. kalau nak detail.. just contact saya.. 019 3376911 (apai)

    Rilek bro, jgn emo2 sangat. Kan aku dah cakap, aku cuma keja bhgian processing loan je, dan boss aku forward benda ni kat aku, pastu dia pesan check betul2 application dari mana2 dokumen yg datangnya drpd company2 yg tersenarai dlm list tersebut. Bukan ape, cuma dikhuatiri scam. Boss aku cakap, salah seorang officer kat bank negara mengesyaki sesuatu terhadap company2 ni, then dia tulis emel ni, dan forward kepada beberapa boss2 bahagian processing loan di kebanyakan bank2 utama di mesia nih, dan disertai dgn nasihat supaya berhati2 dengan loan application yg mengandungi dokumen2 drpd company2 dlm list tu. Diorang just mengesyaki je, bukan dah declare yg company2 ni semuanya scam, betol tak? So, kalau bukan scam, watpe nak risau... Smile. Lagi satu aku rasa mamat yg kat lowyat.net tu pun, maybe dia pun mcm aku, bukan suka2 tulis, tapi just forward ape yg org dah forward kat dia. Tu pun ntah forward yg ke berapa ratus kali lah tu... huhuhu... Smile

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    Re: Beware!!! Top 17 SCAM in Malaysia

    Post by daimon on Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:34 pm

    but mostly review pasal IRC x berapa best..
    sbb yang best2 tu semua dah join IRC

    ps: review pasal menu kat IRC pon x berapa memberansangkan..
    susah la nak survive kalau makanan x sedap kan?
    makanan adalah nadi bagi business makanan~

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    Re: Beware!!! Top 17 SCAM in Malaysia

    Post by kurt_yezzed on Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:33 pm

    Setakat hari ni lah aku bekerja, setahu aku yg jahil ni, cuma 3 sykt MLM je yg kebanyakkan bank2 kat malaysia ni boleh percayai, iaitu HPA, CNI dan HAI-O. Kebanyakkan ahli2 sykt MLM kat mesia ni,mesti ada yg nak wat personal loan. So, bila diorg attach sekali dokumen gunakan statement MLM, pihak bank akan tengok. Kalau mcm kat tempat kerja aku, kitorg mmg dah dpt arahan; setiap application drpd company2 MLM, cuma nama 3 company diatas saja yg akan diproses (cuma diproses dan tak semestinya diluluskan), selain drpd company2 ni, biasanya reject. Aku pernah tanya bos aku, kenapa jadik situasi mcm ni, and dia ckp, kebanyakkan company2 ni ada masalah dgn BNM. Masalah ape tu, aku tak tanya pulak...
    Aku citer ni, bukan nak tegakkan mana2 MLM, dan aku pun bukanlah ahli ape2 MLM kat mesia nih, cuma just kongsi info.

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    Re: Beware!!! Top 17 SCAM in Malaysia

    Post by myapai on Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:34 pm

    Selalu orang kata takut nak join MLM sebab masalah dengan BNM. tapi apakah sebenarnya masalah tu?

    yang saya nampak, selalu masalah tu timbul bagi isu "menerima deposit dari orang awam". tapi kalau kita check balik dalam senarai bank negara, hanya bank2, insuran dan badan2 berkanun je yg ada hak ni.

    TAPI, apakah pula perbezaan dengan syarikat yang "menerima pembayaran orang awam"? contoh macam telco prepaid (maxis, digi dll), touchngo, dan syarikat2 MLM.

    Bagi Syarikat MLM seperti Island Red Cafe, pembayaran orang awam adalah untuk membeli kad makanan (topup) dan juga bayaran keahlian nya.. adakah ini dikira sebagai deposit awam atau pembayaran awam?
    Sesiapa yang berpengetahuan tentang BNM boleh bagi jawapan tak...?

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    Re: Beware!!! Top 17 SCAM in Malaysia

    Post by akuccputsedut on Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:57 pm

    aku nih agen insuran juga dah join IRC...jadi aku nampak perbezaan nyer kan situ... kalau nak kata kutip duit orang awam tuh mesti kena ada lesen memang betul bagi yang jual insuran cam aku nih...kena ler gi amik exam semua tuk dapat kan lesen nih..baru leh kutip duit ngan orang..tapi sesiapa yang beli insurans ngan aku biasa nyer aku suh diaorang bankin sendiri aku tak kutip pun bahaya ler buat gini aku rasa...

    IRC pulak kes company kutip duit dari orang awam aku rasa benda nih takder masalah laa..sebab bukan kita laburkan duit tanpa dapat apa2..duit modal yang kita kuar kan tuh paling sikit RM360..RM60 utk yuran pendaftaran dan Rm300 lagi kita bayar utk ditukarkan ke voucher makan...means kita bayar untuk makanan yang kita akan makan...

    so apa kena mengena ngan BNM...????

    apa2 pun terpulang pada individu tu sendiri...kalau takut scam sila laa siasat betul2..jangan asyik dengar cakap orang jer...email2 berantai yang menjatuhkan orang dan company lain memang berlambak kat internet nih...cam kes siti nurhaliza dulu...terpulang ler pada yang baca nak percaya ker tak..

    langkah berhati-hati memang bagus diambil...tapi tindakan men-foward atau sebar2kan email yang tak pasti betul ke tak tuh yang perlu diambil kira.. k pape pun tepuk dada tanya selera...

    P/S:kalau rasa IRC tak bagus makanan tak sedap tak perlu join tak perlu gi makan kat sana..senang jer..


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    Re: Beware!!! Top 17 SCAM in Malaysia

    Post by myee on Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:41 pm

    15) Gano Excel - This company from the north, a copycat of DXN selling Lingzhi capsules created a new Company called Gano iTouch to cash-in on the internet like e-Cosway after their Company went down the drain since the last 2 years, selling Linzhi and some no-value energy pendants and alkaline water gadgets. They provide free transport every weekend from KL to visit their Alor Star office.

    tang nih aku bebetuk tak sangka....eeerrrrrr betul ke? aku selalu beli product kopi derang...

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    Re: Beware!!! Top 17 SCAM in Malaysia

    Post by khairul anwar on Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:56 pm

    berkemungkinan gak business tak scam

    tp yang scam adalah ahli2 dia,

    tapi yang dapat nama buruk mesti la nama company kan,

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    Re: Beware!!! Top 17 SCAM in Malaysia

    Post by *keluangman* on Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:10 am

    Ala.. korang ni, watpe nak kecoh2. Lagipun si TS ni cakap list2 dlm tu tak semestinya scam, cuma dikhuatiri adalah scam. So, kalau rasa konfiden, join je lah. Kalo was-was,takyah lah masuk. Tapi kalo dah join baru tahu benda2 ni scam, nasib badan lah kan... huhuhu... lu pikir lah sendirik... Laughing

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    Re: Beware!!! Top 17 SCAM in Malaysia

    Post by ewallet on Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:48 pm

    betul ke benda nie?
    hermm..atau saje je nak lingkupkan biz MLM?
    HPA xde pun dlm senarai...
    pa kata kita semua pakat join HPA?
    aku dah jadi ejen...meh PM aku utk detail
    RM30 je..

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    Re: Beware!!! Top 17 SCAM in Malaysia

    Post by am_eniey on Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:38 pm

    sistem MLM ada sistem mencari duit untuk upline. Downline kerja penat2, upline lenggang dpt duit. elakkan.

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